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Frequent Slip-Ups
This page lists common pitfalls members usually walk into. Not so much a
'FAQ', more a 'frequently made misassumptions'.
There are several common misunderstandings / queries that reoccur:
I live too far away from Bradwell Abbey: my
line length would be too long.
As a Milton Keynes resident you may have visited the Bradwell Abbey estate. There's a pleasant enough
park with the remains of an old abbey. There's also a 1970's industrial estate.
It's a
stone's throw from the Concrete Cows and the KFC.
Good, we know where it is. You can even find it on a
map!
However, when BT refer to Bradwell Abbey they mean
a large area of Milton
Keynes. They mean an area that's bounded by Bletchley, Stony Stratford, Wolverton,
Newport Pagnell, and Woburn Sands. They do not mean the local grid square known as
Bradwell Abbey.
BT's Bradwell Abbey telephone area is served by an exchange building in
Fishermead. The building is marked on the City Atlas: it's on the south of the
estate near the V8 and H7 grid roads.
The exchange is 4km from the estate called "Bradwell Abbey".
The upshot on this confusion is that some residents get despondent as they think they are too far away
from Bradwell Abbey, while others get optimistic as they think they are closer than they
really are!
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BT's Shenley Church End telephone area is served by the exchange in
Emerson Valley. The building is marked on the City Atlas: it's on the north of the
estate near the V3 and H7 grid roads.
This confusion explains why Loughton is not close to the "Shenley Church End"
exchange.
See above entry for Bradwell Abbey: it's
similarly "misnamed".
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I thought everyone on TPON was getting transferred over
to copper?
BT have run in a 250 pair copper cable to Monkston, where we are currently
served by TPON (Fibre Optic)
If you are a TPON resident and you request Broadband, BT will route your
telephone connection via the new copper instead of the existing TPON.
There should be no noticeable difference to you, for example your phone number
remains the same. For the engineer doing the work it will mean a bit of extra
scrabbling around in the exchange and in the various roadside cabinets as the
copper is connected and the existing "kerb to house" cable.
BT will still use the existing TPON - it works fine for most of the Monkston
residents that do not need Broadband. Only residents requesting Broadband will
be transferred to the new copper cables.
The new 250 pair cable is more than enough for the 80 or so residents waiting
for Broadband.
[WRONG! Why did I say that? It's now May 2005, and the cable is used up! BT
are due to have a new one run in by October.]
Monkston residents are successfully getting
Broadband.
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Why isn't your
campaign listed on the BT website?
http://62.172.198.79/broadband1/where_i_live/campaigns/current_campaigns_search.asp
http://www.bt.com/broadband/
BT only support campaigns that help them get their telephone exchanges
Broadband enabled. They do not promote campaigns such as ours: all seven local telephone
exchanges in Milton Keynes are already Broadband enabled.
The reason that many of us cannot benefit from the Broadband service is the
distance of the BT telephone exchanges from our homes. Although ADSL signals do work
over a distance greater than 6km, BT has a service rule disallowing long
distance connections. (BT increased the distance
from 5.5km to 6km in
September 2003.)
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BT's website ADSL line checker tests your
line immediately.
No, it does not perform a real-time test of the line.
The site's answer comes from a database compiled from records of the various cable
lengths and gauges that make up the line to your phone.
The process BT uses, and their reasoning, is described
here. Lines are qualified as red (failure) amber (further checking required)
or green (OK).
Any line that is close to the limit is tested further by an "special
investigations" engineer.
Here's an attenuation table based on the
BTm model
at 300kHz for
1km length
| Gauge mm |
Attenuation dB |
| 0.32 |
12.348 |
| 0.4 |
11.55 |
| 0.5 |
10.301 |
| 0.63 |
9.297 |
| 0.9 |
7.86 |
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Are measurements using km's and dB's the same,
one being a tenth of the other?
No.
A decibel dB is a logarithmic unit used to describe a ratio. It is a lot more
convenient for engineers to add dB's than multiply ratios. dB's can describe
very big ratios with numbers of modest size. (A power ratio of 1000000 is 60dB.)
BT use a cable model: a telephone line of 0.5mm copper, 1km long will loose
10.301 dB at 300kHz. A 5.5km cable of 0.5mm gauge will have a loss of about
55dB.
(See ESTI TS 101 388 V1.2.1 (2001-10))
It's a lot easier just to talk about distances in kilometres than attenuation
levels in dBs.
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Why we keep quiet about our broadband enabled neighbours.
This topic has grown somewhat - and now enjoys its own page. Our concerns
with neighbours with broadband and retrospective disconnections
are explored here.
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The former 5.5km distance limit from the exchange... now
6km
The cable distance limit from the BT telephone exchange to your house is
approximately 6km. It was 5.5km. BT announced the change to their planning rule
on the 9th September 2003.
The new extended limit for broadband is based on 60dB of signal loss on the
line (typical line length about 6km) The previous limit, 55dB, equates to
approximately 5.5km line length.
[Source
http://www.btplc.com/Mediacentre/Archivenewsreleases/2003/NR0339.htm]
See also.
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The BT checker confirms that ADSL is available when
I enter my postcode, but not when I enter my phone number. Why?
BT are confident that the BT web
online broadband checker is 98% accurate with phone numbers. Postcode checks
are 80% accurate.
This was revealed in a meeting with BT February
2004.
The logic that the postcode checker uses is desperately simple:
1, Get punter's postcode.
2, See which telephone exchange serves the punter, and calculate the distance
between the two "as the crow flies".
3, If the distance is less than 3km report a "green" optimistic message;
between 3km and 4km report a more cautious "amber" message; over 4km report a
very cautious "red" message.
There is no use of cabling information used in compiling the report.
Do not use the postcode checker: its results are not accurate!
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