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July 2004 - Week 2

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My Happy Members Inbox

I got on the extended trial with NDO at the beginning of June. I was initially refused. I only got it because of the help of NDO and their pressure on their BT contact to get round the automated BT line checking system.

BT blocked my applications to the trial saying a normal application was needed, but these failed twice. NDO in the end made a manual application and the BT contact pushed it through the system and suddenly I went broadband. The line has not gone down once and the speed tests show a good quality of performance, so unless BT cut me off at the end of the trial I'm presently happy of Bradwell.

Thanks to everyone.

Marvin, Bradwell

 
I'm on the NTL wireless trial, which is great.

I got on the BT trial with the extended reach ADSL which also works fine, but is just a bit slow compared with the NTL service.

Regards
Adam, Monkston

 
I've been using my NDO connection from Clay Hill in Two Mile Ash for a couple of days now but the speed is pretty poor.
According to the speed test at www.adslguide.org the downstream is around 200kbps, upstream around 125kbps.

Is anyone else getting similar results. I know the line is adaptive so it will drop to the lowest reliable speed but this still seems slow.

Is it worthwhile collating speed test results from different ISPs/locations for comparison and reporting to BT?

Thanks,

James, Two Mile Ash

[Get your ISP to call out BT.]

They did. Turned out to be nothing to do with the line - the wireless connection causes the problem. No idea why. Just wondered if others had experienced anything similar.

James

 
Just a little warning for those on the trial--my BT telephone went down for a week, but at least now I have Broadband. The phone is supposed to be connected in another day or two.

Not funny!

Marianna, Walton Park
 
Ah: well here's a story.

After a number of calls with Trinite/Nildram's techies treating me as an idiot, I ended up trying the original settings I had: I'd abandoned these on their instruction.

Et voila: 460+ down and 230+ up. Turns out the setting they instruct you to use (including on their site) are wrong! Once BT enabled the line, it was Trinite/Nildram's settings preventing my use.

Anyway, one shirty letter later and 1 month's free use.

Had a couple of complete failures subsequently so BT came out and moved the master socket obviating the need for micro-filters.

All OK at the moment.

Many thanks for the group's efforts. Now all I need to do is keep the contention ratio down......

Rob, <unknown>
 
Well you can add me to the list of successful installations.

I live in Walton Park and my phone cable length is 6.2km. Until your magnificent efforts pushed BT into digitum extraction. I had been refused several times.

Following your emails shortly before your break I applied again and was instantly accepted. I got the package from Tiscali two days before I went into hospital for a hip replacement, and got BB to go live the next day.

Wow!! What a difference. I then had to go to the hospital for the carvery and subsequently couldn't wait to be released, so I did the exercises diligently and was released after 7 days. All is now well and progress is being made.

Thank you, thank you for donating your time on the MK broadband issue.

I think I have the solution to the sight of cables in various locations in MK - BT's 21st Century Network.

This MAJOR decision by BT seems to have had little publicity, but that is probably the fault of Editors rather than BT.

(I wonder if Walnut Tree just 100 yards from my home can just wander a little further out? I can dream.)

Best Wishes

Paul, Walton Park

 
Just to let you know I'm on the BT trial. Connections and speed are fine.
A couple of disconnections but it is looking good at the moment.

[Get a BT engineer to visit if it's iffy. (Get your ISP to call them out.)]

Regards
Paul, Willen
 
Just to let you know I now HAVE BT Broadband. !!

My modem arrived this morning as promised and I've just made a successful connection. There were technical problems affecting all Business broadband users this morning, so I just waited for a while before attempting to log in again....and hey presto it works.

I must say I am very impressed with the way my application was handled. I received regular e-mails from BT and the setting up of broadband was very straight forward.

Please pass on my thanks to the appropriate people, I think people are too quick to complain these days and don't often take the time to say thanks.

Kind regards,

Sue, Wavendon Gate

PS : I hope the trial in Milton Keynes becomes a permanent solution, it was a long time coming and it will be nice if it stays.. :-)
 
Yes, It's in and working ... But not without some aggravating problems.

The problem I suffered (and I do mean suffered) was two major worm infections within just a few seconds of connecting to the net the first time (Avast eventually detected them as Win32:GAOBOT-678 [wrm] virus detection pattern did not come out until 3 days after my connection went live and I got infected & Win32:Korgo-I [wrm] virus pattern came out the day I went live but it was not downloaded until after infection), clearly it's not related to the trial and a fault of the BT Yahoo set-up. You have to connect to the net as part of the registration and set-up process but the install doesn't switch the default Win XP firewall to on for their connection (all my other connections had XP firewall 'on'). Their glitzy advertising bumf says how well protected you'll be and that you get a free firewall so you get the feeling that you will be well protected, in truth you have little protection and there is a huge amount of port scanning and malicious traffic going on inside and you have to download and install the firewall software after connection.

Now that I have both XP firewall on and a separate software firewall I feel a little safer, but the firewall is still blocking 1-2 malicious packets per second all the time I am connected so I do disconnect when the connection is not in use. I am considering putting in a combined DSL modem / wi-fi access point & router instead of the USB modem as it gives that extra layer of NAT and will allow for an always on connection (then I could let the neighbours children piggy back the wi-fi access to help them with their schoolwork)

So far the speed tests that I have done have been mostly good (450+ Kbps downstream), it was very difficult to tell at first because of the worms swallowing most of the bandwidth. I do get one or two momentary drop outs every now and then but the connection seems to pick back up ok by itself so I'm not overly concerned.

I will perform some more speed testing and some large (ISO CD image) downloads to fully check the connection for consistency, but obviously it would be better if I had the confidence to leave it on all the time and could then monitor for any total connection drops etc. I will update you as soon as I have some stats.

In the mean time a note of caution might be worthwhile on the BB4MK pages as I think the pain I went through could have been avoided by manually switching the XP firewall on as soon as the network connection has been created (before the final registration steps) or by downloading and installing a separate software firewall over a secure dial-up connection before starting the Yahoo install.

Thanks for the words of caution on the XP firewall / Printer sharing issue.

I'll be able to switch it off once I have some NAT in the way.

I am currently checking windows update on a daily (-ish) basis and awaiting the release of SP2. I knew I was still open to the LSASS buffer overflow issues when I was getting the broadband connection and it was intended to be my first port of call once operational (if you've ever tried applying the updates over a dial-up you'll know why I was waiting) but even with the best will in the world and a 2Mbit connection I would never have made it with all that dodgy traffic circulating on the Yahoo network. (They have the power to close all these unnecessary ports on a per connection basis so why don't they ???)

Best regards,

Richard, Walnut Tree
 
I now have Broadband and all is well!

Suzanne, Bolbeck Park

 
Another success on the Extended reach trial !

We've used Zen as the ISP, whom we found to be efficient with a very useful web site.

We've installed on a G4 Powerbook using the D-Link DSL-300G modem which connects to the Mac's Ethernet port.

Unfortunately there isn't a utility that I know of that reports the transaction speed. I'll keep searching. If you know of one please tell us.

Do you know how long the trial runs for ? Forever, we hope, but we fear being switched off at some point in the future.

Thanks for all your help.

Regards

Jack & Jo
 
We have managed to get onto the long reach trial, however it was very "flakey". BT say they want to work with us to resolve the issues, but by the time we get through to someone who could help us, we fixed the problem ourselves.

Regards,

Russell, Bolbeck Park
 
Just to keep you informed I have finally managed to be involved with the MK Trial and have received my modem and software.
Installed okay and WHEN IT WORKS its really great.

Thanks for your continued perseverance in getting MK broadband enabled.

Regards

Bhavesh, Walton Park
 
I now have broadband - hoorah! May i pass on a tip - mine didn't work at all until i took off the old front cover of my main phone socket and plugged my modem into the port behind it - then everything lit up happily - apparently some of the older covers aren't too hot at passing the broadband signal through.

[Get a BT engineer to visit with a new face plate. (Get your ISP to call them out.)]

cheers,

Alexandra, Wavendon Gate
 
You won't get this unless I disconnect from BT Broadband and go to Wanadoo (Freeserve), where I can receive mail in OE, but I can't send. I have to go to my @FSmail.net to write to you.

Otherwise everything is OK, even though not all services are not available on the BT Broadband connexion.

Regards

Owen, Pennyland

 
Hope you had a good holiday. I'm happy to announce I'm on the BT trial now as well and it is going smoothly. And its free! Hope the results they get back are good!

Matthew, Walnut Tree
 
Just to say that my Broadband is up and running. Modem and filters arrived, connected up but no signal so that I thought the line wasn't activated. Waited a week, called BT and they said the line was live and that I should try moving my computer nearer the master socket. Anyway, got home, didn't move computer but ADSL was running.... ho hum! Received a welcome to BT Broadband letter saying it would cost me £28, dialled the helpline number and told to ignore the letter, sent out in error.

All in all - happy camper!

Cheers

Jim, Walnut Tree
 
A couple of days ago and the day before BT were putting some thick black wires under the ground just outside my house in Walton Park.

I should be connecting to ADSL Broadband soon with PIPEX Xstream 500 (£23/m) 512kbps no limits and works with MK trial.

Jonathan, Walton Park
 
Sure you're bored of these messages by now but -

Broadband is alive and kicking all the way out in Newton Longville.

I had some trouble to start with - connected at fantastic speed (reported as 576k think true speeds were not that far off). But, occasionally, the connection would have a dicky fit and would keep disconnecting for a few seconds or minutes. Then for no reason would re-synch and away I'd go. No pattern to this at all.

Anyway, those nice chaps at BT came along and spent about 2 1/2 hours rewiring my house. Moved the master socket upstairs, even did extra wiring so we could keep the handy socket next to our bed! All of this for free - well free to me, apparently some internal politics mean BT retail charge BT wholesale or vice-versa. Something like that....

Since then, absolutely perfect - not one disconnection.

All of your Herculean efforts over the last couple of years are appreciated.
I wish I believed in god/karma so that I could be sure you would get your reward in heaven/next life; as it is, you'll just have to accept my thanks.

cheers.

Gary, Newton Longville
 
I am ecstatic. I have been on the MK extended reach trial now for over a month with no problems what so ever. I can now work from home via broadband which has made a real difference to me! What was all the fuss about.

Thanks for all your efforts, you're doing a fabulous job. Will have to come a buy you a drink at The Swan one day soon.

Keith, Wavendon Gate
 
 

My Unhappy Members Inbox

BT have been alerted to all the following emails...

Can I ask if you have had any feedback from people on the MK Broadband trial, I am on it and having terrible problems getting connected.

If I use it at 6am it's great, but once the connection drops, which it often does, I can not get re-connected. The error messages come up as no answer the other end, then if you keep on trying it comes up with no dial tone, and if you are persistent it comes up with there is no modem present.
 
Can you advise if you know of any others having these types of problems and if they have cured them.

Many thanks

Paul, Loughton

[Yes, some people are having problems. These are usually resolved when a BT engineer visits and installs a new filter face plate.]

 
Thanks to all the useful advice, we've had broadband here in Kents Hill since Sunday morning.

The only trouble is, we had about ten minutes of high speed connection, and since we've been down to about 3 kbps if we're lucky...

Simon
 
I have grief with it. Can't get a service, currently working with Zen through the fault reporting to finally get it confirmed as 'not available' here in Willen. :(

Paul, Willen
 
BT updated their system & informed Ofcom, but my preferred supplier refuses to process an order because the BT system shows the line as amber, so I'm 2 steps forward, all I have to do now is find another supplier that will do rate adaptive on the same basis or just go the hog on the a std 512k.

I wish NTL would be upfront on what the wireless trial prices will be - if they proceed.

- one day I will make it to the Thursday meeting - work permitting.

cheers

Pete, Monkston

[Pete is a neighbour of mine on TPON. I can no longer make rational statements! BT cannot seamlessly handle Broadband orders. Yes, BT put in copper cable last year... and locals got Broadband!]
 
I have now had my op [Monday] & am now trying to recover after it. Seems to have been successful. We shall see.

I'm sorry I have not told you already but I have got on the BT broadband trial. So far it seems very good, although very slow at times & disconnects quite a lot, but is definitely an improvement.

Keep up the good work.

Regards

Neil, Bolbeck Park
 
Thanks for your splendid work on all on this. I now have broadband, through NDO.
 
My only problems are:
1. that it seems to disappear sometime in the evening; I've never been there to see it happen, but somewhere between 8pm and 11pm.

2. I can't get me telephone to work on the same line-which I've always understood is one advantage of broadband-even though I've bought the right kind of splitter.

Have you come across others with the same problem??

[Yes, some people are having problems. These are usually resolved with a BT engineer visit.]

Thanks,

John

 
 

My Comments Inbox

I had a problem at the weekend. Rebooting my router sorted it out.

cheers

Loz, Kents Hill
 
Now that Nick is back from his long holiday, I'd like to join with the growing crowd in publicly expressing thanks to him for his heroic efforts in getting BT to let us into ADSL. Having been refused it for years, I got it put in under the trial and it has worked flawlessly since mid-June.

Never mind pints. I think an OBE would be more suitable. Were it in my gift etc...

Cheers - Frank

[Get your nominations in quickly...Honours system outdated, say MPs]

 
I regularly do things like sending from my BTYahoo address via the NTL server, and vice versa - which is all perfectly acceptable as far as  normal, courteous, non-spamming internet usage is concerned. As I understand it, the spammers' paradise is a thing called an 'open relay' SMTP server - one which will send your emails even if you aren't connected to its own gateway. But what I just described is NOT that. (Thanks go to John Baker for explaining all this to me many moons ago.)


As a long serving Demon subscriber my first Internet access software was the DOS based KA9Q with Demon, which in the early '90s only offered Internet connectivity and the customer were their own Internet node.

[I worked on the KA9Q code with G1EMM in 1990. (A buggette with the FIFO serial comms I seem to remember.)]

I know things have moved on from then but I still tend to operate in the same way as 10 years ago, although now with Linux software. It was always useful to have your own mailserver especially when Demons relay fell over on one of their regular SNAFUs.

Demon advised 12 months or so ago, that AOL were going to block Port 25 on their fixed IP range and as a workround I could apply to be whitelisted but since I don't have any contacts on AOL I didn't bother, anyway it's their loss not mine.

With the dynamic IP range of NTL I suspect more and more block lists will prevent direct email mainly due to the actions of customers running compromised Windows computers. Fortunately, this wireless dynamic IP range hasn't found its way onto many block lists yet.

To overcome some of NTLs connectivity problems I have Gradwell ODMR access, which allows you to receive your email via SMTP from an internet connection with a dynamic IP address. This works well with my current Sendmail server which was originally configured for my Demon account.

Currently I use Gradwell to forward incoming mail to me with SMTP but outgoing is sent direct. Should blocking become a bigger problem then I can either use Gradwells server or I could redirect my MX records to my NTL address provided I use a dynamic dns system of some sort. (This is in the to-do list ).


As the months go by I get more concerned that mail sent direct will not arrive, the spammers have seen to that. It is a fact that many NTL users are not clued up and allowed themselves to run compromised machines, and NTL does not have a good reputation for its abuse department, which means that block list operators are not going to easily give NTL address space the benefit of doubt.

I filter most of my mail through Spamcop and currently I am being sent about half a dozen a day. You may be interested on Demons application of Brightmail filtering at the beginning of the year which dropped the then peak of over 100 a day. Have a look at http://www.grantura.demon.co.uk/spam_stats.htm - if you are interested.

Regards

Bob

 
Just to let you know that even though we have broadband on the trial, BT have been laying fibre optic cables to eventually replace copper ones outside our house on Bolbeck Park today. Apparently, this means that not only will everyone here will be able to receive broadband but we'll even be able to get a 1Mb or 2Mb connection speed. It's all come a long way very quickly.

Thanks for all your good work.

Regards,

Jim, Bolbeck Park
 
I'm not sure about the precise nature of the cable but I have seen at least 4 vans every days for the last week or so in or around . On asking the engineers and ready the announcement on June 9, I think BT are getting ready for the Fibre to The Home trial they are starting in October. I am trying to find out how I can get onto the trial - any ideas?

Andrew, Walnut Tree
 

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