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Wednesday 22nd October

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I appreciate your updates on the broadband situation.

I thought that I would have another try at seeing how I am situated with respect to the Bradwell Abbey exchange --- no change there, still with the line too long for connection.

But I investigated the BT website out of interest.

It doesn't list Milton Keynes as having an Action Group either alphabetically or via the telephone number!

Odd isn't it?

Regards,

John

[Yes .. I've been asked that one before!]

 
First, is the group you have instigated still active as I thought I had read that Monkston now had Broadband?

[We're still active!]

There is reference to some estates having been leafleted and others not. As Chair of my local Parish Council we could run a story - perhaps inset a leaflet into our Parish News that is delivered to all homes in Furzton, Emerson Valley, Tattenhoe, Shenley Lodge, Shenley Church End, Westcroft and Kingsmead. If you forward me the text of the leaflet I can sort this out.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Regards

Paul Griffiths, Shenley Lodge

 
I've just had ADSL installed in Two Mile Ash, On The High Street.  :o)

James
 

Here's my latest saga with BT.

I've just been failed for conversion to ADSL from home highway after an initial Amber result on the checker when I ordered.

12 months ago I failed on the old limits & so went for ISDN, I was told I failed at 57db & 5.3km for ADSL (ordered with PIPEX). With the new limits I reordered, the engineer was due to visit today to remove the ISDN & put me on analogue to test the line but I got a call yesterday from BT saying that they'd cancelled the order as a they had tested the line without doing this & it's failed. After a lengthy conversation, during which I didn't get any info on the failure, they agreed to reorder it after hearing about last years failure levels.

Does anybody know if a proper line test can be done with ISDN still installed?

[In Europe ADSL is offered over a copper wire that also carries ISDN.

In the UK we do not have this option.

In the UK ADSL is not offered over a copper wire that also carries ISDN.

(When I write ISDN I mean ISDN2e which is also branded as BR or BRI or Home Highway, Midband....)

A BT engineer can test a copper pair for signal attenuation. If the pair has ISDN, then the engineer will temporarily disconnect the ISDN equipment at the exchange and at the customer's premises before making the tests. The ISDN equipment is reconnected.

This was confirmed by in our meeting with BT.
BT Meeting....  The Report

So going back to your question..

The answer is yes. The test is made with the ISDN equipment temporarily disconnected.]

The latest order was with BT themselves, I hoped that this might improve my chances.

[BT does everything possible to appear neutral with each ISP. This is to appease their gods at OFTEL.

I guess the reality is that ordering from BT may help you. Several of the group chose Zen as ISP.

Zen are an independent ISP. At least you end up talking to a small team of knowledge northerners that know about the "MK10 problem".]

I live in Wrens Park Middleton. Any one else on ADSL here?

[Just checked... 5 members no ADSL.

Anyway... chat to Serena. She'll be back from her holidays on Monday.
http://www.bb4monkston.co.uk/serena_spoc.htm]

Regards

James

[Dave writes:

I had the self same issue. I live in Great Linch. I was told that ISDN needed to be disconnected. BUT no one turned up to disconnect, set me to analogue and do the test.

A process of psychological brinkmanship by BT has guaranteed that I would just give up and go away as there are other things I have to do in my life. However, I'm beginning to think that you and I have been mistakenly fobbed off by BT.]

 
I've requested ADSL from PIPEX, my xDSL provider of old.  Got a date of 20/10 for activation.  So far so good.

The BT chap knocked on the door during the day and told my wife that the line had moved to copper (yes I'm in the MK10 zone!), and checked for a dial tone.  He said the work on the exchange was done by someone else (fair enough).  I  stuck my microfilters on the phone points like a good chap when I got home and switched on the modem ...

.. but sadly I have no line sync as of last night!

Question - did anybody else in Monkston have an n-day delay between TPON migration and hook-up to the DSLAM at Fishermead?  Or am I on the short journey to faultsville? 

Even more annoying, Pipex seem to think I have to dial 151 and report a fault with BT!  I was under the impression that I was Pipex's customer, not BTs.  Is this right?

Regards

Paul

[I wouldn't worry unduly. I experienced a couple of days of "copper only" before the DSLAM was patched in. I then experienced "copper and ADSL but no authentication" for a couple more days. (Happily those days are but a distant memory.)

Richard, our group secretary, suffered a similar day of no ADSL carrier as he "migrated".

If your router's ADSL carrier detect light is not glowing within a few hours, I'd call Serena.]

 

I live in Wolston Meadow, Middleton and had four guys from NTL come round this afternoon for the Trial.

Unfortunately despite trying for well over an hour, they were unable to get a clear path to the transmitter. Apparently, the trees that line the grids roads can cause them the problems as they can't get line of sight.

Good luck to anyone else on the list. At least you know that these guys will do everything they can to get you connected!

Regards

Asif

 
I have tried and failed yet again to get ADSL.

The really frustrating thing is that BT won't tell me by how much my line failed the test. I get cryptic messages from my ISP saying things like BT say it is unviable and not cost effective.

I want to know:

For what reason did my line fail the test?

What is the actual line loss figure for my line?

Has the new 60dB planning rule an effect on my line?

I do not have line of sight to the NTL transmitter, so I presume I will have to wait till they extend the pilot.

Maybe BT could be more vocal in the reason for failure. At the moment it seems like a bit of a lottery, only you never know which numbers came up, just that you didn't match enough of them.

Thank you for any light you can shed in this situation.

Jas, Bradwell Common

 
I had a visit from some nice folk earlier today who stuck a white box thingy on my wall and gave me a cable modem to play with. Apparently you get a good view of Linford wood from my house in Great Holm.

Anyway - to cut a long story short. The connection works. But ... I have a problem which is that I don't know how to configure my setup so that all my computers can access the Internet via the new modem.

In the past I used a 56Kb modem connected to one PC (Win 2000 Pro) which was shared - over Ethernet connections via Netgear Ethernet hubs. I have a number of PCs connected to the Ethernet hubs running Windows XP or Win 2000 Pro or Win 2000ME. All the machines have one Ethernet card or wireless network card. I have a couple of Ethernet hubs - connected using the uplink facility - with some machines connected to each hub and a wireless access point on each hub. One of the machines is set up with a domain (for work) the others are all set up for home networking (no domain name). I think they all get their IP addresses dynamically - from the computer that is connected to the modem that acts as a proxy server? You can tell I'm not really techy enough to cope at this point.

Now my problem is this. I can connect my new fast modem to one of the PCs using its Ethernet port - but then I cannot connect that PC to the Ethernet network so it doesn't have access to the printers and the other PCs don't have access to the Internet.

Having got that to work I then connected the modem direct to an Ethernet hub and reconnected the PC to the Ethernet hub. That PC can still see the modem and access the internet (and indeed this email was sent via this connection). What I can't manage to do is to get any of the other machines to connect to the Internet via the modem. I also suspect that as soon as I restart the PC that is managing to connect it will loose the IP address and won't work any more.

The nice man on the help line tried to help - but apparently I am only supposed to use one computer with the new modem and he wasn't sure how (or indeed whether) I could get the modem to work with all of the computers over the network. Had I been using routers rather than hubs then that would have been a different matter ....

So - anyone got any idea how I get all my computers to be able to: access the Internet via my new modem; still be able to talk to each other (which they can currently do - peer to peer network?); and still all be able to access the printers that are connected to some of the machines?

Peter

[We had several replies to Peter's query:

1, Use a Home Internet Gateway

http://www.dlink.co.uk/396.htm

2, Use XP's network sharing feature

You need to put a second network card in your "server" PC, connect your cable modem to this, and then share your network connection as if that was your modem.

3, Use an old 486 running Linux to act as a gateway / router/ firewall

For a cheap firewall dig out the old 486 you were throwing out and fit a couple of network cards and install Smoothwall or IPcop. Attach the local network side to a small hub or switch and connect your local network to the hub. The 486 will handle much more bandwidth than NTL can supply and will carry out the address translation and DHCP control plus much more. Best of all it is free :)

]

 
Well... Its happened...

I moved to MK (Bradwell common) just over 2 years ago and have been trying for broadband all that time. At least 17 failed applications and many many many irate phone calls to just about anyone that I thought may be able to change the situation. All my friends know not to discuss the BB words as they know it sets me of on a rant about MK cable infrastructure and the parentage of BT.

But got accepted on the wireless trial..... Was ABSOLUTELY convinced that I would either not get selected or fail the site visit... So much so that I didn't even respond to the application letter for a week while I mused it...which for me and BB is unheard of!!..

They booked an appointment on Friday last for this morning (Wed). Wife called me to say that they had said that it looked ok and would install the kit.... Didn't fluster me at all as was SURE it wouldn't work... Then the wife called and said its all done, but they had to install on the front of the building which she was LESS than pleased with, but sympathised with the situation that it was either front of house
or move house.... Got home...cough....a little early tonight....cough....not too enamoured with the aerial being on the front, but hey... how much do I want the thing... plugged the modem in via the network
cable instead of USB and saw MSN messenger pop into life...thought.... NO...
cant be....No WAY.... checked my 56kmodem... no lights... couldn't be..

Checked connection method and ADSLGUIDE.ORG speed test and sure enough ITS BLOODY WORKING...
AARGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...yeehhhhaaaaa

Test results are:

Downstream 563 Kbps (70.4 KB/sec) 608 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 123 Kbps (15.4 KB/sec) 132 Kbps (inc. overheads)

From a 49ker....that will do me just dandy...

Anyway.... Nick....your de man... Gents (and Ladies) its been a pleasure, but I must dash as I have a long awaiting Tac Ops game waiting for me and a six pack of Fosters..

Cheers!!!!

James, Bradwell Common

 
Glad to see that you are promoting Milton Keynes broadband.

I am interested in helping to lobby BT as I live in Bradwell Village and am therefore unable to get broadband. Please let me know when the group is planning to meet up, as I would be interested in coming along.

Regards
David

[We have a regular weekly meeting.]

 

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